16
Jan
10

“Fuck free speech, and fuck you!”

That was perhaps the most unintentionally ironic thing shouted by a student protester at yesterday’s Pacifica Forum protest.

(My article on the protest will be in Tuesday’s Daily Emerald. You can see photos from the protest here, courtesy of ODE photographer Ivar Vong.)

P.S. I’m reminded of one of my all-time favorite quotes on censorship by the inimitable Lenny Bruce: “If you can’t say ‘fuck,’ you can’t say ‘fuck the government.'”

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12 Responses to ““Fuck free speech, and fuck you!””


  1. 1 Vincent
    January 19, 2010 at 6:59 am

    Here’s another lovely sentiment, courtesy of some blithering idiot on some Facebook page promoting some scary “panel” about “hate speech vs. free speech”:

    Here’s an example of free speech: Fuck all you assholes who think hate speech is acceptable in a learning environment, or anywhere for that matter. I can’t wait til your dumbasses are escorted off campus permanently.

    How lovely. “Fuck” all of us “assholes” who still maintain some semblance of respect for the First Amendment even when it can’t be deployed as a rhetorical atom bomb against the Bush Administration.

    While I suspect the bit about escorting people off campus permanently is probably aimed specifically at the Pacifica Forum, the implication of all of this will, as Greg Lukianoff mentioned in that bit I quoted in my earlier post, result in ‘unpopular’ ideas, whether they’re Pacifica Forum-eque neo-Nazi theatrics, support for the Second Amendment, or whatever, being effectively exiled from the marketplace of ideas at American universities.

    A more crass and fundamentally illiberal mindset is difficult to find, at least on campus.

  2. 2 CJ
    January 19, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Yeah, I saw that and despaired for the future of America. That’s a little bit dramatic, but seriously, what a bunch of ignorant wastes of space.

  3. 3 Vincent
    January 19, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    I actually got physically agitated when I read that last night. I had to go read “Cosmos” and calm down before I could go to sleep.

    I’m increasingly thinking that instituting mandatory civics courses is a good idea, and I hate mandatory classes.

  4. 4 C.T. Behemoth
    January 20, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    How about a counter-protest? Anti-Idiots?

    “Fuck hate speech man!”

    “You’re an idiot, go home!”

  5. 5 C.T. Behemoth
    January 21, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    I can’t fucking believe that the university is moving to ban Pacifica now…and that they’re hiding this fascist fucking bullshit behind the notion of campus safety. If those fucks had never bothered to show up and cause the safety issue, Pacifica could continue to die a slow death until their beloved leader passed on and the ability to rent space at the EMU passed on with him.

  6. 6 Vincent
    January 22, 2010 at 4:06 am

    Sadly, it comes as no surprise to me.

    The “free speech” angle was the real sticking point — the Constitution clearly permits the sort of gatherings that the Pacifica Forum was engaging in, especially on public property. Moreover, everyone knew it was discongruous to bash Pacifica for their racist drivel when the Native American Student Union was allowed to hold their “whitey go home” rally with barely any comment.

    So they decided to frame it as a question of “safety.” Everyone, of course, knows that the Pacifica Forum, for all their putrid rhetoric, poses no actual threat to anyone. Claims to the contrary are, frankly, lies. The University, for all intents and purposes, has adopted the “safety before liberty” standard that progressives couldn’t stop warning us about during the years 2000-2008.

    Sadly, I think it’s safe to say that the University of Oregon does not truly value the principle of free speech; as long as it’s willing to ban the airing of certain ideas, however repugnant, in the name of “safety,” then it’s clear that this institution has higher priorities than the open exchange of ideas.

    From this day forward, anyone who can rally a large enough group of people that claims to be “threatened” by certain ideas can plausible ban those ideas from campus. How long before the Oregon Commentator once again runs afoul of informal “hate speech” standards? How long before someone tries to have the Student Insurgent banned for their continuing support of violent terrorist organizations like the Earth Liberation Front? How long before someone decides to file a lawsuit against NASU for their anti-white racism?

    Of course, the answers to those questions depend entirely on whether or not these new precedents are applied equally across the board.

    Alas, we all know that will almost certainly not be the case.

  7. 7 C.T. Behemoth
    January 22, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Agreed.

    I guess I got a little heated with my own fascist rhetoric, haha, but it just pisses me off. So, PF has been moved to Agate Hall. Problem solved? I’m waiting to see what’s next. I just don’t think that bandanna-clad protesters are out of bad ideas.

  8. 8 C.T. Behemoth
    January 23, 2010 at 6:08 am

    Well, I spoke to soon.

    The campus safety issue propaganda has apparently now been modified to include the city of Eugene. This changes the ballgame somewhat I would imagine. All you have to do now is find some sort of attack in a nearby location, find a group that has things to say that could somehow (erroneously) be tied to said attack, and now you can silence the group.

    http://www.dailyemerald.com/asuo-to-determine-its-stance-on-pacifica-1.1081210

  9. January 24, 2010 at 3:53 am

    Some of you say it would have been tactically better for the left-wing ‘anti’ fascists to ignore the Forum until its founder dies. Aside from being a bit tasteless, you don’t realize that there are at least two students among the ranks of Forum regulars, so it should still be allowed to meet on the campus even if the old man moves upstairs. If the Insurgent which consists of ‘students and others’ can meet on campus so can Pacifica. In any case its wrong to talk tactics with opponents of academic freedom. You should go to Pacifica meetings and argue.

  10. 11 Vincent
    January 24, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Jay:

    Is this some sort of form letter you’re sending out, or something? I’m asking because you seem to be addressing concerns about arguments that no one at this blog has ever made.

  11. 12 Chris
    January 26, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    This is my favorite part of the resolution:

    “2.2 Be it further resolved that, the ASUO stands in solidarity with the student body in asking that the Pacific Forum not meet on the University of Oregon campus.”


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